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  • ([ Gay Fetishism, media, and why the way you ship things is important. ])

    adriofthedead:

    sammneiland:

    ghetto-astronauts:

    So I’ve been seeing a lot of things on my dash lately that have been making me really uncomfortable, and I realized that a lot of the people doing these things were people I like, people I respect, people who I think are genuinely good people who probably don’t realize that they’re doing or why it’s problematic. If you read through this and wonder if it’s about you, it probably is: please don’t be offended. Just take a step back and think instead. 

    Gay characters on television (in this case, almost exclusively male gay characters) get a lot of attention from Tumblr. This in itself isn’t inherently a bad thing. Gay characters often have plotlines and background that are just as - or even moreso - interesting than those of their straight counterparts. We like seeing something different on our favourite show, we like to feel like the things we’re watching are diverse and inclusive. All of these are good intentions. Unfortunately, what seems to be happening is that this gets taken to a whole other level. For some reason the gay characters have become automatically more interesting than any hetero characters, gay ships are more engrossing than hetero ships (A LOT of which has to do with the internalized sexism that goes on in pretty much every television fandom, but that’s another thing for another day), even if these characters or ships are fleeting or badly written or incredibly problematic, until it gets to this point where you’re shipping any two boys you can get your hands on regardless of actual compatibility, actual well-roundedness, or foundation, or anything other than “Two boys together!”.  It turns into this obsession. I’ve seen it happen, I see it on my dash every day.

    This takes me to a whole other thing. Shipping people irl is really a huge issue. I don’t mean real person fiction, I’m a part of that fandom myself. Something most rpfers pride themselves on is their ability to compartmentalize real!Celebrity from fic!Celebrity. What I’m talking about is when you’re out to lunch and you see two boys driving in a car together and you ship them. Or you’re at the campus center and two boys are sitting next to each other and you’re secretly hoping that they’ll start holding hands. What you’re doing is fetishizing. It’s as similarly creepy as “breaking the fourth wall” when it comes to rpf except probably more damaging. When one single person tweets something weird or creepy at a celebrity, chances are it will be overlooked and life will move on, but when you get to the point where you’ll ship strangers you see in real life just because they’re of the same gender and attractive, you’re losing your ability to compartmentalize, and as a result you’re allowing your entire perception of gayness to be skewed into something that was made for you to watch.

    If you’re still not convinced, think of it this way: if a straight boy was constantly seeing “lesbians” everywhere, or talking about how those girls would look so good together, or making up headcanon about you and one of your platonic girlfriends, you would think he was creepy as fuck, sexist, and probably a pervert. Because he isn’t seeing you or other girls as people with real agency, he’s seeing you as an object to project onto. He’s invalidating your personhood and your sexuality and making your actual queer friends feel like their sexuality isn’t a real identity. That is what you’re doing to these boys; straight or gay, real or fictional, you are projecting onto them and invalidating them.

    This bothers me with television because I often see people fawn over these characters who are brilliantly written and wonderfully flawed, but are only being appreciated as a Gay Guy or One Half of My Otp. On the other side of the coin, I see characters who only existed for a couple of episodes, who had no real backstory or meat to them being treated the same way- a way which isn’t really deserved or well founded.

    If the only things you can tell me about your Otp are “But they’re so right for each other! They just work! They love each other so much!” then I’m probably not going to take your ship very seriously. I think shipping is excellent. I’m a terrible multi-shipper, I’ve got at least three Otps for just about whatever fandom I’m into. But there has to be some kind of thought there. You can’t just ship people together because they’re the same gender. It’s a discredit to yourself and your characters and your show.

    Gayness does not exist for you. Your worship of it as cuter or more real or more meaningful than other relationships is damaging and problematic. Gayness in television and other media is not important because you get to ship it. It is not important because it’s a fuck you to your homophobic parents. It is not important because it makes you favourite show more “diverse”. Gayness in media is important because it is representation for people who have not gotten that in the past, and who are still not getting a lot of it unless they’re male, white, and attractive (or in the case of queer female characters, white, young, attractive, and willing to get naked). 

    What you’re doing does not make you supportive or an ally, it’s problematic and it’s something we really, really need to try and keep in check. I’m so tired of the gay worshiping fetishism on my dash, you guys. Let’s try to fix it.

    wasn’t this sorta what my post was about last night in regards to dirk/jake?

    at least its related, and its an opinion i closely relate to, so i think its worth reblogging.

    oh good someone who eloquently and politely expresses my feelings on a good deal of same-sex shipping

    (Source: lostinthemorning, via in-tays-head)

  • Posted 3 months ago on 02.03.2012 @ 02:28am + [3439 Notes] + Comments
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    1. romanticillusions reblogged this from iron-jen
    2. theyliveforever reblogged this from ifwemetupatmidnight and added:
      Bringing this back because it’s important and apparently (according to Tumblr females) friendship between males doesn’t...
    3. sortedstorage reblogged this from lostinthemorning
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    9. wickedwitchelphaba reblogged this from xxmoonowlxx and added:
      This is why I make it a point to NEVER ship anyone in real life. Not even celebrities. But honestly…I mean, I’ve shipped...
    10. xxmoonowlxx reblogged this from may000 and added:
      “On the other side of the coin, I see characters who only existed for a couple of episodes, who had no real backstory or...
    11. taterdoom reblogged this from go-fightingdreamer and added:
      Good food for thought, but I don’t ship IRL people, period. I tried it and it was just creepy to me, so I stopped. I’ll...
    12. may000 reblogged this from heartwormblues and added:
      I think it makes a lot of good points.
    13. go-fightingdreamer reblogged this from heartwormblues and added:
      I kinda do it >.> but not with my OTP, of course. Anyway, you should read it
    14. vanhelsingfreak reblogged this from mumblingsage
    15. heartwormblues reblogged this from mumblingsage and added:
      I do not agree with a lot of this but I think you should read it and decided for yourself, is really interesting and new...
    16. mumblingsage reblogged this from bubblegumbea
    17. banneresque reblogged this from ifwemetupatmidnight
    18. aheadyspace reblogged this from mfreems and added:
      Very good points....agree with the second poster...with...
    19. ifwemetupatmidnight reblogged this from iron-han and added:
      Found it here we are a classy explanation of the point I was just tryin’ to make.
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